one person in the entire circle more competitive than him and that's michelle obama. this is someone who wants to win and gets very fired up. >> she doesn't come off that way. >> believe me, she wants to win even more badly than he does. >> you've written two books on president obama. you did "renegade" all about the campaign and then you did did "revival" the first two years of the presidency. how did you come to do those books? >> well, what's that woody allen line about09% of life is just showing up? i showed up. i showed up from springfield, illinois, all the way through to the end of the obama campaign on election night four years ago and, you know, you build up relationships and experiences and a perspective and so there were surprisingly few people who followed the whole journey. you couldn't understand the campaign unless were you in iowa in 2007 and i was and so that it self led to the first book and i thought the first book, the campaign was one thing but governing had proved so difficult and such a challenge. a fundamental challenge not just because of the